Reverse Scalping
Filed Under (Journal) by Casey on 16-07-2009
Tags: Automatic trading, Cyborg EA, EA Xtreme, FAPTurbo, RemExpert
Arghh… it has been a difficult week. Volatility in the market is really messing my robots up. I do not think it is only Cyborg, NN Master, Boomerang, Blaster…. any EA that trades EURUSD would probably have gotten canned as well… $hit! This is taking me back 2 months from my objective.
I thought I made some stride last month… Sighh….. Slapped silly by the market…
Anyway… sorry for ranting. I just had too… This is really killing me to no end. But that is not the reason for this posts.
Last night as I was browsing through the forums just to see what was happening. I stumble upon this thread with regards to the topic ‘Why do Traders Lose?‘
I was losing badly in the markets and I wanted to find out if I was doing anything wrong… I was seeking solace, and started reading this thread with interests. Here is what I wanted to highlight….
“Let your profits run and cut your losses short”
“The first loss is always the smallest”
“Plan your trade and trade your plan”
“Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered”
“The trend is your friend”
So I read through all the blah blah… And I came accross this particular comment which got my brain working. This member mentioned…
If you’re the 90% of the bunch which always loses his trades …… reverse your buy and sell buttons ….. click buy when u want to sell and click sell when u want to buy …. you will double your account by the time you get broke ….. haha
Now… since most or rather some of my scalping EA are trading at a lost for me, I though, what if I can reverse this effect.
When the EA wants to enter a buy, I change it into a sell… the initial stop loss would be the new take profit level, and the initial take profit would be the stop loss. Vice versa…
So this would mean I am making this
And reverse it into this….
Hmmm… probably that is not what I intend to mean it… What I am trying to imply is that my gross loss would be my gross profit and my gross profit would be my gross loss which would change my net lose into my net profit no?
Reverse scalping would totally fit into the few advice given above.
“Let your profits run and cut your losses short” – In this case, that is what we are doing… we let our ‘reverse stop lost’ be our running profit and our ‘reverse take profit’ be our losses cut short….
“The first loss is always the smallest” – That is what reverse scalping is going to be…
“Plan your trade and trade your plan” – I am going to be trading EA so this part is sorted out
“Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered” – Now… with a money losing scalping EA, I am the hog, but if I reverse the scalping buy and sell method, wouldn’t I be reversing this and be the PIG?? ($hit… that really does not sound right but you know what i mean)
“The trend is your friend” – With bigger stop losses or rather a reverse of the stop lose I would have a larger take profit level, wich would mean that I am trading the trend, period.
I went like ‘EUREKA!!!’ I found the formula in all this scalping BS!!! So I went into my bat cave and started working on this idea.
Firstly, not all scalping EA are profitable… and not all scalping EA are NOT profitable. So I had to look for a NOT profitable EA. I first took a look at EuroBlaster their earliest version….. Looks $hitty right?? So la di da… I looked at the codes and made some adjustments to it… I only changed the buy order to a sell order and sell order to a buy order.
That is all nothing more nothing less…
Secondly… I rename this EA to ‘Reverse-Blaster’ and put this on Demo side by side Euro Blaster V2 and let it ripped…
I still do not have any interesting results yet… but will follow up with this idea in the near future.
My initial thoughts were that I would be taking a lot of small losses… say 10 small losses and one big kanuna profit… which should out weight the losses. I mean in EuroBlaster… the take profit is 10pips while the stop losses is 350pips…
Now you do the upside down math… screw backtesting… it’s the live result that matters now… actually if the backtesting results is $hite the more I need to reverse the trades….
So… there you have it… a wonderful idea that could prove profitable…. But one thing I have not taken into consideration. Trailing stops and modified stop losses.. I know that EB v2 has the ability to modify stop losses… but not too sure about V1. Let’s take this one step at a time…
But the only way to know if this would work would be to test this out….
I am so excited with this idea….
Now… I think I will go back to my bat cave and have a closer look at some of the scalping EA that are making losses for me for particular currency pair and see if I can also reverse this….
This is really putting the work “Reverse” literally into Reverse Engineering…. Muahahahaha!!!
If this idea works out the way I imagine it to be… My site will not longer be ‘Searching for the best Forex EA around’ It will be known as ‘Searching for the worst Forex EA and reverse it around’.
Another quote from the forum I would like to share “I would rather make money than be right.” I would rather make money than search for the right EA….










I wish you good look with reverse.
But please put it on demo first, you are going to a have a suprise.
This is very ingenious. In the past, I came across something the worst ever. It really would make money on scalping. But I realized that slippage would give the profit away to broker on spread. Now that I know of Dukascopy tight spread (though for accounts over 10K) I will look into it again. I have to search again for the indicator I had on my charts. Anyhow, you are now beginning to doubt and ponder everything you believed (you were led to believe), that’s when your eyes are open to new possibilities. And profits will follow.
sell the bat cave and go for vacation…
no need to reinvent the wheel.
what u try now has been done so many times before….without success!
Sorry, i mean Good Luck!
But after read it i think its not a bad advice – have a good look
The majority of traders loose because they have to. The Pareto principle guarantees it. I wrote an article about this on my blog some time ago:
http://www.macrotactics.com/2009/05/04/why-do-so-many-traders-loose-money-take-2/
@orto.. thanks for the support
@onur… is that so… maybe they are not doing it the same way as i am going too…
@caprice.. nice read..
i believe i am going to now put 20% of my effort to make 80% of my profits… or I am going to be the 20% auto trader who will succeed in making 80% of the manual trader jealous…
or I am going to be the 20% who fu(k up 80% of the time….
Say didn’t Thomas Edison messed up 99% of the time before he made history with his 1% success in creating a light bulb? Inspirational… I am going to be just like Thomas…
Casey, you couldn’t have said it better. One brilliant idea comes after many unsuccessful ones. Too bad it has to be that way. I wish we stumble on the right idea on our first step. But perfection (profit) takes time and practice.
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=174954&page=2
good luck bro. but i must warn u, reverse of the lousiest EA doesnt really means profit….
@Joao provided I learn from 99% of my mistake, that 1% might no come through but thanks for your support… Will try and try and try…
@John.. Thanks for the support. But I also agree with you that the lousiest EA does not really mean profits… but I can only hope and work on it. Time will tell…
Hey Casey, if you are still struggling with the EURUSD pair, I can highly recommend FX MegaDroid. I know it got a lot of hype, and the developers have hitched their wagon to the FapTurbo crew, but it is now the only EA I run on this pair and it has only produced one loss for me since March! Trade Analyser stats now on the blog. Cheers, Mark
Hi Saucebook. Pls give the link to view the stats on FxMegaDroid. Thanks
@Saucebook a lot of ppl have been saying that MD is very stable… slow profits but stable… but I can not of reasons unknown to me why I would not want to try it out…
Must be because of the post i wrote about them….
Well… if it’s ever that good i should put it on and write a reversal post on them….
First… I need to get past this feeling of no wanting to try them out…